From a recent article, I have decided to respond as you will see below. My comments are in purple as you can see this sentence is. Enjoy and comment below!
For your reference, we offer to you a definitive guide on a subject that has distracted for far too long. This is the Flat Earth Theory Debunked by Andrew Pontbriand
The world we live in is a truly fantastic place. Whether you are religious, spiritual, indifferent, or an atheist, the wonders of the universe and the earth itself are mind bending. Although modern science has answered some of the oldest questions man has asked, there are some we may never know the answer to.
And some that have been decided for philosophical reasons. Others to steer the public from the truth and still others to push the agenda of the Government and their owners.
Then, there are theories. Some have substance, and some are outlandish. Like, the Flat Earth Theory. We say outlandish, because it doesn’t matter which point of view you hold, or what your world-view is. The theory that the Earth is flat, is one that mathematics, ancient texts, and even the naked eye have debunked many times.
Typical comment from someone who worships science but can't back its claims.
Although this article does offer you many resources, links, videos, and our own commentary, we must state for the record we do not intend to belittle or slander anyone who questions any official story. It is always good to question history, news, and even [some] science. It is true science has been wrong before, and advanced sciences like quantum-mechanics and relativity have been developing since they were first introduced. The Flat Earth Theory just doesn’t fit into an area of questioning. We agree, the theory itself is interesting, and many videos and explanations are fun and exciting, however, the massive distraction and misguided narrative created just amounts to a lot of time and energy wasted on a conspiracy that serves absolutely nobody. (Unless you get millions of YouTube views on the theory you present)
Again, spoken as taught. Do you really think that any flat earth material is getting millions of views? Have you researched what YouTube actually pays? Do you know that YouTube doesn't allow "Controversial Content" to be monetized? Do you know people have to actually click the ads to make money for the creator? Do you know how to do any research?
This brings us to our first part:
The first part of this section would be to first ask a question. In any case of a conspiracy, an investigator would probably say, cui bono? Of course, a worldwide conspiracy perpetuated by a small number of people would be done for some sort of benefit, right? This is the case with the New World Order/powers that be after all – they have created a world of debt slaves and they’re siphoning the wealth out of every country on the planet. With that said, what, whom, and how does one benefit(s) by lying about the earth’s shape?
We spent much time looking for a source of the “who benefits” question. In all honesty, there is no real culprit. In other words, the flat earth theory has grown immensely over the last year and a half(although it has been around in some form for hundreds of years), and not a single person can pinpoint a single source as to the perpetrators of the lie, or the beneficiaries of it. This is a big problem. For reference, see below:
Straw Man, nice. No one has spoke about the who? The what or the how? Or you haven't looked? Ever heard knowledge is power? Is that bullshit or what? Of course it isn't... and the less you know, the better for them. And you are right... no one has benefited from this at all. Let's see how the Global Space Economy fared. This is from the site parabolicarc.com where they report the following:
"In 2014, the global space economy grew slightly more than 9 percent, reaching a total of $330 billion worldwide, up from 2013’s $302.5 billion. Together, commercial space activities made up 76 percent of the global space economy. The industry as a whole demonstrated a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of seven percent from 2005 to 2014, nearly doubling in size over the course of the decade.
U.S. government space spending went up slightly, 2.9 percent, from 2013 to 2014. The U.S. devoted 1.2 percent of the government’s national budget to space in 2014. During that year, U.S. government space spending made up more than half of what all governments around the world spent on space. Space expenditures by governments other than the U.S. grew 12.9 percent in 2014, in spite of decreases in budgets of international cooperative efforts such as the European Space Agency."
Yeah, no money involved. No jobs. Nobody paying for satellite TV and GPS devices. You are out of your mind.
Example 1: The Federal Reserve Banking Conspiracy
Culprits: World Bankers Victims: The American People Beneficiaries: World Bankers:
Reasoning: World Bankers over hundreds of years have gained control of/over central governments through central banking. What has resulted is an extremely small number of very powerful families that control most of the worlds money and resources. The people are now debt slaves to the world banks, and in essence, private property and natural rights have gone by the wayside.
In this example, which is the most obvious and well-known, is that of central banking. It isn’t just the Federal Reserve either, but thats neither here nor there. The point is, this is a real conspiracy that has taken place, and was executed very patiently, over a long period of time, and there are identifiable perpetrators and victims. We can pinpoint the reason for the conspiracy as well as the actual people involved. With the so-called flat earth theory – it is basically non-existent. This in and of itself is enough to debunk the theory because if there are no string pullers, then the only explanation would be that the theory was cherry picked and cleverly assembled and disseminated by means of YouTube, social media platforms, and the like. — This is the most obvious of explanations without even using a shred of mathematics, science, or common sense. From an investigative standpoint, this would be enough to decide not to move further in an investigation of a topic because it lacks substance.
Because you say that there are no string pullers, there aren't? Sounds like someone who backs science to me. Science says it is a fact and therefore it is?
But — we will go further.
Science, Math, and Common-sense
The Flat Earth Theory suggests that mainstream science, history, and common sense are wrong.
Wrong again. Flat Earth Theory suggests that mainstream astrophysics, cosmology and NASA are wrong. Common sense has been handed over to academia to tell you what is and what isn't common sense.
Disclaimer: Just to be clear, this author and this website is not a mainstream website. The fact of the matter is that worldwide conspiracies and agendas by “the powers that be,” exist. There is certainly truth to that.
Glad you can see that at least.
However, if one was to propose that the flat earth theory is one such conspiracy, then this lie would have gone back to the Sumerians, the Greeks, and the Ancient Egyptians. Furthermore, mainstream religion itself would have had to lie about a lie and then admit it and lie again. What would be the logical point to this?
What a ridiculous article this is. Do you know what the Sumerians, Greeks and Ancient Egyptians believed? Look it up jack. And religion has always called the Earth flat and the sun went around the earth. Ever read that book they wrote... the bible? There are a ton of books you can read that will tell you all about this like Flat Earth; Investigations Into a Massive 500-Year Heliocentric Lie or The Blueprint: World's Secret's Declassified Bible or check out Mark Sargent's book Flat Earth Clues The Sky's The Limit
Remember, there doesn’t seem to be any beneficiary to this conspiracy, so why would the most powerful people on the planet change their standpoint to go along with it if it didn’t benefit them? Like the math used by Flat Earther’s, it doesn’t add up.
What math? Do you back up any claims at all?
A Few Basic Points that Debunk the Flat Earth Theory
If you are currently a believer in the flat earth theory, we have a challenge for you. We challenge you to actually do your own research. Go out into the world and conduct your own experiments based on physics itself. If you’re being intellectually honest, and what you find doesn’t disprove any and all flat earths theories, I suggest you look for help. However, I am quite certain this will not be the case. Generally speaking, I have found that those who perpetuate the position of the flat earth theory have two things in common, or two things tend to be true. Number 1, they have a vested interest (a monetized YouTube video with millions of views = $$$) or they have been spewing out [dis]information for a long time, and are not realizing it is okay to be wrong sometimes. Science has been wrong before, and since science is merely a tool to understand the world around us, it does develop as understanding(s) improve.
Again, more claims and no evidence. Please show me monetized YouTube videos about flat earth with "millions of views." I will wait. And if science is " merely a tool to understand the world around us" then it cannot say what is fact since it is never supposed to arrive there. And if science is all that you say, what happened with Piltdown man? Have you read, Corrupted Science: Fraud, Ideology and Politics in Science or Voodoo Science: The Road from Foolishness to Fraud or Is That a Fact?: Frauds, Quacks, and the Real Science of Everyday Life?
Imagine that!? Sometimes, people are just plain wrong! That’s okay! Human’s are imperfect creatures, as long as we learn and grow from it. It is when someone is faced with pure evidence and fact, and still denies it, that a problem occurs.
Exactly. A great place to start so that you can begin to unravel the lies that are holding humanity back is the movie The Principle. So please explain the following quotes if you don't mind... the first one is certainly interesting since you seem to think that science simply observes things and reports. Do you realize men are the ones doing the tests and interpreting the results?
"Such a condition would imply that we occupy a unique position in the universe, analogous, in a sense, to the ancient conception of a central Earth…This hypothesis cannot be disproved, but it is unwelcome and would only be accepted as a last resort in order to save the phenomena. Therefore we disregard this possibility…. the unwelcome position of a favored location must be avoided at all costs…. such a favored position is intolerable…Therefore, in order to restore homogeneity, and to escape the horror of a unique position…must be compensated by spatial curvature. There seems to be no other escape”
-Hubble, The Observational Approach to Cosmology
Scientific exploration can tell us much about the universe but not about its ultimate nature, or even much about some of its major geometrical and physical characteristics. Some of this uncertainty may be resolved, but much will remain. Cosmological theory should acknowledge this uncertainty."
"We always keep in mind that the now used heliocentric model is not based purely on scientific data but also on philosophical propositions. That is not something “wrong” on its own. Everyone uses such assumptions when talking, thinking, writing scientific papers. What is “wrong” is trying to persuade people that what you say is the “only truth” that is acceptable by science…People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations,” “For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations. You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”
-George Ellis, Mathematics Department, University of Cape Town
“This conclusion directly contradicts the explanation…which presupposes that the Earth moves.”
“It is really quite amazing by what margins competent but conservative scientists and engineers can miss the mark, when they start with the preconceived idea that what they are investigating is impossible. When this happens, the most well-informed men become blinded by their prejudices and are unable to see what lies directly ahead of them.”
-Arthur C. Clarke
“Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest…”
“There was just one alternative; the earth’s true velocity through space might happen to have been nil.”
“The failure of the many attempts to measure terrestrially any effects of the earth’s motion…”
“If Michelson-Morley is wrong, then Relativity is wrong.”
“The data were almost unbelievable… There was only one other possible conclusion to draw — that the Earth was at rest.”
“It is impossible to convince a person of any true thing that will cost him money.”
“A scientific theory neither explains nor describes the world; it is nothing but an instrument.”
“I think that we shall have to get accustomed to the idea that we must not look upon science as a ‘body of knowledge,’ but rather as a system of hypotheses, or as a system of guesses or anticipations that in principle cannot be justified, but with which we work as long as they stand up to tests, and of which we are never justified in saying that we know they are ‘true’ or ‘more or less certain’ or even ‘probable.’
“If the speed of light were discovered not to be constant, modern scientific theory would be devastated.”
-Marilyn vos Savant
“Equations, however impressive and complex, cannot arrive at the truth if the initial assumptions are incorrect.”
-Arthur C. Clarke
“I know that most men…can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”
“We are unreconstructed geocentrists hiding behind a Copernican veneer.” -Carl Sagan
“Perhaps it is time for astronomers to pause and wonder whether they know too much and understand too little.” -Herbert Friedman
“Thus, general relativity brings about its own downfall by predicting singularities.” -Stephen Hawking
“I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment.” -Albert Einstein
So, with that being said, we wanted to make a few basic points clear regarding the flat earth theory for your reference. These few points are probably the best as they can be easily tested and tried, and should really put an end to the flat earth theory itself.
Can't wait. More straw men I suppose?
1. The Coriolis Effect (Force) – Most notable and easiest to understand in the point of view of a Snpier, as many have pointed out. please do your research on the Coriolis force as it related to the Earth, and this fact alone will leave the Flat Earth Theory Debunked.
First off, wrong. The Coriolis force would be around whether the Earth is spinning or the sky is. They would both cause the same effect especially because in physics, the Coriolis force is an inertial force (also called a fictitious force) that acts on objects that are in motion relative to a rotating reference frame. Maybe you can tell us why we were all lied to about the water and how it acts going down drains in the northern and southern hemispheres. Contrary to popular misconception, water rotation in home bathrooms under normal circumstances is not related to the Coriolis effect or to the rotation of the Earth, and no consistent difference in rotation direction between toilet drainage in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres can be observed. The formation of a vortex over the plug hole may be explained by the conservation of angular momentum: The radius of rotation decreases as water approaches the plug hole, so the rate of rotation increases, for the same reason that an ice skater's rate of spin increases as they pull their arms in. Any rotation around the plug hole that is initially present accelerates as water moves inward.
2. Moon Orientation – Very simply, how the moon appears in relation to where you are located. If you are on the northern hemisphere, the moon appears one way. If you are in the southern hemisphere, the moon will appear to be flipped or the opposite at the very moment that the other observer (if you could be two places at once) looks at it.
Again, already been explained time and time again. Place a circle on your ceiling and mark the top A and the bottom B. Now wallkfrom one side of your bedroom to the other and you can see the same effect. It is not proof of a sphere in any way unless you simply repeat and parrot what your masters taught you.
3. Gravity – Simply put, gravity can’t exist with the flat earth theory, or at least in the way we understand it. Even if gravity was “different” though, it still wouldn’t work. There are literally thousands of sources that prove gravity exists, and there are hundreds of ways to prove it. Though, the Flat Earthers often have to point to the fact that they believe NASA and the governments of the world with their space programs are all fake. While we do acknowledge it is very likely there are hoaxes, lies, and cover-ups related to space and space flight technology, there are dozens of videos NASA has produced that demonstrate the validity of gravity that could not have been faked (at the time). (This is shown in Video 3 below.) Below, is a series of short video’s (given that I am not a mathematician or scientist) that lay the Flat Earth Theory to rest. The Flat Earth Theory has been debunked, over and over again, however, the next time your friend tells you he/she has found “proof” we’re all being lied to, just show them this article.
Well now, wasn't that fun? No, it was a waste of time and anyone doing real research can spot this a mile away. What I have learned about astrophysicists and cosmologists is that they all fall within one of the three categories below.
- Frauds, Hoaxers, Liars and Thieves.
- Meek and sheepish nobodies.
Pretty easy to see which you are. Give me a P, Give me an A, Give me an R, Give me an R, Give me an O, Give me a T
What's that spell? Andrew Pontbriand